ASUS Unveils SFF-Ready Prime Series GeForce RTX 40-series Graphics Cards (2024)

What I did I say when Nvidia announced this "standard"?? This is EXACTLY the type of sh*t that will happen.

Card makers will milk the new branding for all its worth by enlarging lower end GPUs into this form factor that they have zero business being in. Like the 4060 Ti and 4070 Super here.

it's literally still just what the status quo already was (maybe for everyone except Asus, who still can't seem to grasp the concept of "compact" for everything that doesn't have a Dual model). Scratch that, 4070 Ti Super also has a Dual, so Asus truly put zero effort into this line.

While at the same time they have zero interest in applying the standard to make smaller cards that actually matter (4080s and 4090s) because 1) they believe they won't sell in high enough volumes 2) bigger card = more marketing = better.

What a dumb joke.

AusWolfHow is any of the pictured cards SFF-ready? :kookoo:

Well, these dimensions are what NVIDIA means by "SFF-ready." They took the memes about future NVIDIA GPUs resembling motorcycle engines seriously.

Looks great, the Asus TUF series is too wide that leave too little room for the PCIe 12v-2x6 cable in a lot of cases

Asus TUF 4070 Super width: 139mm
Asus Prime width: 120mm

Gonna build an SFF for my pal soon :D

Waiting for FE RTX 4080 Super SFF model. So I can get a card that doesnt take over my case. The original 4080 FE design is excessive, we have gone from several years ago of having inadequate cooling to now excessive.

www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/small-form-factor-sff-ready/

But looks like it will only be on partner cards.

I also think the 2.5 slot limit is too big, they need to cap it to dual slot.

btarunrWell, these dimensions are what NVIDIA means by "SFF-ready." They took the memes about future NVIDIA GPUs resembling motorcycle engines seriously.

Yeah - it's a joke, honestly. A pitiful attempt to redefine standards instead of making stuff that fits.

In my books, SFF means single slot, or low profile graphics cards, or double slot but then no longer than the PCI-e connector. No Nvidia marketing BS will change that.

PumperNone of these need triple fan cooling in the first place.

3 fans models are up to 25C cooler than 2 fans

nguyen3 fans models are up to 25C cooler than 2 fans

And your point is...? Some are an obscene size so the smaller cards should be too?

Who exactly, whilst appreciating their more compact sizes, is complaining about 65C on the Dual or 70C on the FE? All I see is rather proportionate performance out of Dual and FE in relation to their size. TUF is a 300mm card, Master is 342mm. Technically sub-2 slot Ghost is straight up just not a good choice.

Small FE should be the benchmark size for "SFF-ready". Nvidia's current "SFF-ready" standard can be an extension that should be applied only to 4080/4080S/4090, as it is meaningless for any of the lower cards.

tabascosauzAnd your point is...? Some are an obscene size so the smaller cards should be too?

Who exactly, whilst appreciating their more compact sizes, is complaining about 65C on the Dual or 70C on the FE? All I see is rather proportionate performance out of Dual and FE in relation to their size. TUF is a 300mm card, Master is 342mm. Technically sub-2 slot Ghost is straight up just not a good choice.

Small FE should be the benchmark size for "SFF-ready". Nvidia's current "SFF-ready" standard can be an extension that should be applied only to 4080/4080S/4090, as it is meaningless for any of the lower cards.

Why is shorter better though? SFF cases can fit 270-300mm long GPUs just fine. IMO SFF build look better with longer GPU that fill the length of the case.
This guy has the same idea LOL

Furthermore you can fine tune the fan speed for a quieter gaming experience, especially when the SFF build sit right next to you.

SFF is a premium segment now with $100 PCIe 4.0 riser kits, $200 premiums on motherboards, and decent cases being twice the price for half the size.

So why did Asus think "PRIME will be a great fit for this segment. Those premium buyers will love the low-rent cheap back plastic instead of high-quality aluminium. Also, it's SFF so we'd better make the backplate a few mm thicker than usual to, uh.... Hey, look over there! A squirrel!!"

Honestly, the only thing that really matters for some SFF builds is the position of the power connector and its infernal minimum bend radius. If Asus were going to innovate one single thing for this it would be right-angle power connector or a set of low-profile right-angle adapters in the box.

Chrispy_SFF is a premium segment now with $100 PCIe 4.0 riser kits, $200 premiums on motherboards, and decent cases being twice the price for half the size.

So why did Asus think "PRIME will be a great fit for this segment. Those premium buyers will love the low-rent cheap back plastic instead of high-quality aluminium. Also, it's SFF so we'd better make the backplate a few mm thicker than usual to, uh.... Hey, look over there! A squirrel!!"

Honestly, the only thing that really matters for some SFF builds is the position of the power connector and its infernal minimum bend radius. If Asus were going to innovate one single thing for this it would be right-angle power connector or a set of low-profile right-angle adapters in the box.

Yup, the Asus 4070S Dual is 134mm wide, the new Prime will be 120mm, which leave more room for the power connector

OnasiPCIe AIB specifications in all three dimensions

I've often complained about this in the past. HTPC cases are notorious for modern GPUs because just about every single >75W GPU made in the last two decades violates the height spec, and many HTPC cases are constrained to the same dimensions as other HiFi equipment in an AV rack. Triple-slot cooler? no problem. 300mm long? no problem. Card 20mm too tall to close the case up and stack your amp or receiver? Game over.

If GPUs weren't supposed to be used in AV stacks then why did AMD and Nvidia push HDR, HDMI, Atmos/DTS bitstream passthrough, and all these other TV-first features that existed in the AV space long before they came to desktop gaming setups?

nguyenWhy is shorter better though? SFF cases can fit 270-300mm long GPUs just fine. IMO SFF build look better with longer GPU that fill the length of the case.
This guy has the same idea LOL

Furthermore you can fine tune the fan speed for a quieter gaming experience, especially when the SFF build sit right next to you.

Just because a case only fits a mini-ITX motherboard, it doesn't mean it's SFF.

SFF is something like this:
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/small-form-factor-gaming-build-log-and-support-forum-for-new-builders.283022/post-5143053

Chrispy_SFF is a premium segment now with $100 PCIe 4.0 riser kits, $200 premiums on motherboards, and decent cases being twice the price for half the size.

So why did Asus think "PRIME will be a great fit for this segment. Those premium buyers will love the low-rent cheap back plastic instead of high-quality aluminium. Also, it's SFF so we'd better make the backplate a few mm thicker than usual to, uh.... Hey, look over there! A squirrel!!"

Honestly, the only thing that really matters for some SFF builds is the position of the power connector and its infernal minimum bend radius. If Asus were going to innovate one single thing for this it would be right-angle power connector or a set of low-profile right-angle adapters in the box.

The vendors I think they think bigger = premium. Traditionally people have preferred beefier coolers, but I think some of us have think its gone too far, and personally I think a smaller card (especially in slot size) is more of a premium than just sticking a massive chunk of metal on it.

Especially if someone manages to make a smaller card with same cooling performance, that would be the true marvel.

I think it must be possible to make a FE card, that has the same core design but just chop a bit of its height so its a 2 slot card. It should be cheaper to manufacture as well. If needs be drop its power limit a little bit.

I also agree with Auswolf, so even though I say 2 slot max, I agree with what he is saying SFF is the wrong terminology to use unless its a 1 slot card.

AusWolfJust because a case only fits a mini-ITX motherboard, it doesn't mean it's SFF.

SFF is something like this:
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/small-form-factor-gaming-build-log-and-support-forum-for-new-builders.283022/post-5143053

For a case like that, the 4060LP is probably as good as you'll realistically get for something that won't sound like a jet engine. Palit has a single fan RTX 4060TI, and the fan needs to spin at 2600RPM to keep the GPU cool. I wouldn't expect a LP or even a single fan 4070 and up to be desirable.

From a business POV, it's understandable that the 4060 ti will be as good as it can get, sub 10 liters builds are a niche within the niche: on the SFF PC discord, most builds are around the 10 liters mark. Cases like the fractal terra are probably what those guys are targeting for compatibility.

When the creator of Dan Cases saw the specs of AiB RTX 4000, he had to get back to drawing boards and make the C4 SFX bigger, and even then, some GPUs caused issues because of how the power cable was implemented. If you couldn't get an FE, building a ~10 liter sff case could be painful with that generation, even with those cases being designed to fit 3 slots GPUs from the ampere era.

Those GPUs are still not as good as the 4070 FE, but it is better than the first batch of GPU. Waiting to see a 4080 though

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/when-itx-gpu.317508/

They basically took the upper bound dimensions and said it's the limit

I don't mind 3 slot GPU, but can I get single fan 3 slot GPU?

@Noyand a single fan 4070 is very doable if OEMs are competent, it's ~200W just like single fan 1080/2070/3060Ti

tabascosauzWhat I did I say when Nvidia announced this "standard"?? This is EXACTLY the type of sh*t that will happen.

Card makers will milk the new branding for all its worth by enlarging lower end GPUs into this form factor that they have zero business being in. Like the 4060 Ti and 4070 Super here.

The 4070 Ti Super is slightly more understandable but it's literally still just what the status quo already was (maybe for everyone except Asus, who still can't seem to grasp the concept of "compact" for everything that doesn't have a Dual model). Scratch that, 4070 Ti Super also has a Dual, so Asus truly put zero effort into this line.

While at the same time they have zero interest in applying the standard to make smaller cards that actually matter (4080s and 4090s) because 1) they believe they won't sell in high enough volumes 2) bigger card = more marketing = better.

What a dumb joke.

Some of the duals are 1cm taller than those prime, that's a lot, there are a few cases that are using a reference layout that cannot accommodate them once you include the cable. A lot of modern SFF case are narrow, but long, so length is less of an issue than height

YashyyykI don't mind 3 slot GPU, but can I get single fan 3 slot GPU?

You could back in the Evga days. My brother has a 3-slot single fan 2060, but it is loud and throttles at stock. I have the 1660 Ti version of the same card and it's just about at the limit of what the cooler can do.

NoyandFor a case like that, the 4060LP is probably as good as you'll realistically get for something that won't sound like a jet engine. Palit has a single fan RTX 4060TI, and the fan needs to spin at 2600RPM to keep the GPU cool. I wouldn't expect a LP or even a single fan 4070 and up to be desirable.

From a business POV, it's understandable that the 4060 ti will be as good as it can get, sub 10 liters builds are a niche within the niche: on the SFF PC discord, most builds are around the 10 liters mark. Cases like the fractal terra are probably what those guys are targeting for compatibility.

When the creator of Dan Cases saw the specs of AiB RTX 4000, he had to get back to drawing boards and make the C4 SFX bigger, and even then, some GPUs caused issues because of how the power cable was implemented. If you couldn't get an FE, building a ~10 liter sff case could be painful with that generation, even with those cases being designed to fit 3 slots GPUs from the ampere era.

Those GPUs are still not as good as the 4070 FE, but it is better than the first batch of GPU. Waiting to see a 4080 though

I think the problem is that we've been throwing around the SFF moniker like it was a thing, when in fact, no one has created a definition for it. We just kind of accepted it with an arbitrary meaning. Now, Nvidia took the helm and bent the definition to make their gigantic beasts fit. My problem is that their definition is vastly different than mine. I will never accept anything longer than 20 cm and thicker than dual slot as SFF.